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Re: Michael Rosen webchat wednesday 2nd Sept

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:43 pm
by Debbie Hepplewhite
...whether he has ever taken the time to find out what modern synethic phonics teaching is like before condemning it.
Spot on.

Re: Michael Rosen webchat wednesday 2nd Sept

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:33 pm
by kenm
How about, "Which of the schemes for teaching reading by synthetic phonics have you observed in action?", which gives experts the opportunity to tell him how modern methods improve on them (if they do).

Re: Michael Rosen webchat wednesday 2nd Sept

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:58 pm
by Debbie Hepplewhite
That's a great question, Ken.

Frances - do you feel able to ask Michael Rosen that question via Mumsnet - or does anyone else feel able to please?

Re: Michael Rosen webchat wednesday 2nd Sept

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:04 pm
by Susan Godsland
Thanks Frances.

Ok, probably against Mumsnet rules, but here's Rosen's mention of phonics:
Thank you everyone for your messages. I fully understand that people get very agitated about this phonics question. Just to be clear. I am not against the use of phonics in teaching children to read. What I'm against is a 'first, fast and only' approach. Some great advocates of phonics are against the 'only' bit too. They think (and I agree) that it's a great idea to give your children books to look at and read from the day they are born and forever after.
And here's 'TheNewStatesman''s excellent response
"Some great advocates of phonics are against the 'only' bit too. They think (and I agree) that it's a great idea to give your children books to look at and read from the day they are born and forever after.”

Children can't "read from the day they were born." Babies cannot talk, let alone read. What they can do is look at books with the parents and listen to their parents reading to them. All synthetic phonics advocate strongly advise parents do to this.

When synthetic phonics advocates are saying when they say "only," is that WHEN IT COMES TO DECODING STRATEGIES, children should be taught systematic phonics stage by stage, without being muddled by advice to "look at the pictures and guess from the context."

I have surrounded my daughter with rich literature and story books right from when she was a baby, and read (and discuss) many wonderful books to her every day. When it comes to LEARNING TO DECODE, however, I teach her synthetic phonics, step by step, and I do not encourage her to guess at words or to think that memorizing a book and reciting it is the same as decoding.

If you do not understand how reading instruction works, then please leave the subject alone, and allow the experts (and laypeople who understand reading instruction properly) to do the talking.
Hurrah.

Re: Michael Rosen webchat wednesday 2nd Sept

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 4:02 pm
by john walker
What a terrific response to the question! :grin:

Re: Michael Rosen webchat wednesday 2nd Sept

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:14 pm
by JIM CURRAN
What an absolutely wonderful reply.

Re: Michael Rosen webchat wednesday 2nd Sept

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:30 pm
by Debbie Hepplewhite
Fantastic response!

Thank goodness for that.

Re: Michael Rosen webchat wednesday 2nd Sept

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:48 am
by FEtutor
Very good response indeed - who was it? time for someone to cough slightly, own up and take a bow.......
Wish it was me.

Re: Michael Rosen webchat wednesday 2nd Sept

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:08 am
by The New Statesman
(sidles in...) Oh, em, thanks for the compliments! :)

After I read the response I'd written I did wonder if I'd come across as a bit harsh. But the guy was being perfectly maddening. Does he really think that SSP advocates don't share any books with their kids other than "Bug on Jug" and Floppy's Phonics?

Anyway, I'm glad I finally got round to joining here, as I am sure to have questions about reading instruction. I live in Japan and am currently teaching my 4.5 daughter to read. Am not a teacher (well, other than some EFL teaching in the past, before I became an editor) but have been obsessed with orthography and reading instruction ever since university, when I chose "Phonetics" and "Writing systems" for the linguistics part of my Eng. Lit. degree, and (during my studies) stumbled across Why Children Can't Read.

I will continue to fly the SSP flag on Mumsnet whenever the topic of reading comes up!

Re: Michael Rosen webchat wednesday 2nd Sept

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:56 am
by FEtutor
Welcome, I'll look forward to reading more from you!

Re: Michael Rosen webchat wednesday 2nd Sept

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 8:19 pm
by maizie
The New Statesman wrote:I will continue to fly the SSP flag on Mumsnet whenever the topic of reading comes up!
Ha ha! Join the club :smile:
I don't recognise your username. Do you post under a different name on mumsnet?

Anyway, welcome to the RRF message board. There is loads of information on the website and linked sites but if there is anything you can't find or isn't mentioned anywhere just come here and some-one will help :grin:

Re: Michael Rosen webchat wednesday 2nd Sept

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:33 am
by The New Statesman
I am TheNewStatesman on MN--for some reason, the system would not let me do the name with no spaces on this site.

I will definitely be making use of the resources here! Having a good theoretical background is one thing, but I am always looking out for practical tips and advice--good activities, how to motivate and so on. It's tough, especially as a mother teaching my own child. :)

Re: Michael Rosen webchat wednesday 2nd Sept

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:34 am
by john walker
For practical tips, advice and lots more (the English writing system, etc.), why not visit The Literacy Blog: http://literacyblog.blogspot.co.uk/
Best wishes,

Re: Michael Rosen webchat wednesday 2nd Sept

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 9:36 pm
by geraldinecarter
Absolutely spot-on, TheNewStatesman! Many thanks. Michael Rosen is obsessed by phonics - he does see a lot of it in schools and his young son has Ruth Miskin's programme. He's also very learned about language - but his stance is incredibly damaging. I can't understand how anyone whose older children were at school in Hackney during the 80s could be so blind as to pretend all was well in 80s London - the illiteracy rates were horrendous.

Re: Michael Rosen webchat wednesday 2nd Sept

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:28 pm
by LGP
Hi New Statesman! I'm a mum-turned-tutor of synthetic phonics, and yes - teaching your own child is a different kettle of fish! I think there's quite a few parents on here so you'll see posts from us at times.

I didn't know the theory at all so I did the Sounds-Write training and use those materials and Debbie Hepplewhite's Alphabetic Code Charts for both my own children and tutees. Both have been extremely useful, as has the RRF in answering my many questions!

One activity I do with my 6 year old that you might find helpful, which is based on a Sounds-Write lesson I use, is for my son to choose a sound (maybe one that's just come up in a word) and then get him to remember ANY words he can with that sound in. We then write them up in columns, on a whiteboard or sheet of paper, according to their spellings of that particular sound eg. play, train, cane, brain, great for the /ae/ sound. He can then read them and copy them into columns in his little phonics book (sounding them out as he does).

I keep it short so he doesn't think it's too onerous (it does involve a pencil and paper after all!)

Hope your daughter appreciates your efforts!