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 Post subject: Re: 'Light-touch, phonics-based check' for Y1 children
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:44 am 
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The Independent: Christine Blower: 'Teachers feel they deserve better'

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The third front likely to be opened up at the conference is over the new phonics check for all six-year-olds, to be introduced this summer. It will mean testing them on 30 different words – including some made-up ones – to check on their understanding of phonics, considered by ministers to be the best way to teach children how to read. There will be calls for a ballot on boycotting the tests – although whether this could be agreed in time for this year's is debatable.

Teachers who have piloted the tests say they are not an accurate check on children's reading, as some of the brightest children misspell the made-up words in an attempt to make them seem genuine.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/educa ... 19265.html


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NUT conference round-up

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Teachers passed a motion opposing the use of phonics reading testing—which would be carried out on children as young as five.

They voted for a campaign, including a boycott if the Year 1 Phonics Test is used to contribute to league tables.

The national executive member moving the motion said, “I did not come into teaching to label children as failures. I will stop the test at the first sign of a child’s stress as a result.”


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 Post subject: Re: 'Light-touch, phonics-based check' for Y1 children
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I will stop the test at the first sign of a child’s stress as a result.


That's what those who support the check would expect them to do!

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 Post subject: Re: 'Light-touch, phonics-based check' for Y1 children
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Thinly Spread blog: The Year One Phonics Test – My View

http://thinlyspread.co.uk/2012/03/08/th ... t-my-view/

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My main concerns are:

Only 32% of children in the pilot test ‘passed’. If your child is unlucky enough to ‘fail’ you have to be told. Many parents, myself included, will tear up that bit of paper or shrug of that piece of news and carry on reading whole sentences or even *gasp* whole stories with our children. We will continue to help them to acquire all those skills needed for reading; we will talk about content, we will look at pictures, we will predict what the next word might be using our previous knowledge, we will use picture clues, we will enjoy reading. Some parents, however, will not. They will see that word ‘fail’ and they will apply it to their parenting skills and/or to their children. Five and six year olds are NOT failing at phonics, they are learning at their pace. This is not, as Mr Gove said, a test to inform teachers it is yet another unhelpful measure of ‘success’ or ‘failure’ at a very early age – some children will be 20% older than others in the class, that is one fifth of their little lives, one fifth more reading time. Fair Mr Gove?

The test is made up of a mixture of real words and MADE UP WORDS! This is apparently to assess decoding skills specifically and make sure they can’t guess the word! One of the skills of reading IS guessing what the word might be using your previous knowledge of text. What a stumbling block! If you had put this test in front of my first born who read very early and was pretty fluent by year one he would’ve hesitated, he would’ve been reluctant to have a go, he would’ve doubted himself BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT REAL WORDS! Can you imagine if Mr Gove was in opposition and a Labour Government proposed a test containing the words ‘snemp’ or ‘thazz’ or ‘chom’? I think he’d be shouting about the loony left, teaching our children gibberish!


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Now the NAHT spread unwarranted fear about the phonics check:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/ed ... exams.html

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Activists are also proposing to block a controversial new reading test for all six-year-olds, which is being staged for the first time this summer, if ministers attempt to use the data to rank schools.


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Russell Hobby, the union’s general secretary, said: "We fear that the pass rate for the new phonics screening check will be set at an arbitrary high level in order to fuel headlines about children failing to learn to read.

"We don't see the need for this screening check - it is inferior to what most schools do already - but if it is to happen it should be used as a genuine diagnostic test, not a stick to beat schools with. And if it is used to attack rather than assess, that will be the end of the screening check as far as the NAHT is concerned.”


The pass rate was set by about 50 teachers whose schools were involved in the pilot.


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http://community.tes.co.uk/forums/t/584745.aspx

The thread from the TES Primary Forum above is dedicated to the advent of the first official phonics screening check June 2012 - comments and observations of Year One teachers.

I thought it was worth flagging up on this thread to show the development of events for the screening check....!

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 Post subject: Re: 'Light-touch, phonics-based check' for Y1 children
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Phonics test 'resit' in year 2

http://community.tes.co.uk/forums/t/619923.aspx


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 Post subject: Re: 'Light-touch, phonics-based check' for Y1 children
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Any new test is not what we want. It prevens all comparison over time
A reading test should be for a range of ages, say 4-11. A test for a single age prevents the show of excellence.
Guessing is NOT part of good phonics for beginners. It is part of the "mix of methods" that has failed us for decades.
This new test is just a part of the work of The Blob and as usual cost the taxpayer with no benefit.
Please will you all read Chris Woodhead's 2002 book, "Class war"?
And then Beverley Eakman's new book, "Agenda Games"?
1 in 4 have failed for 50 years and more. You brainwash student teachers, then invie their comments as evidence! - the result of any government report is then a foregon conclusion. Why is Frank Field not consulting Chris Woodhad and me?
Sir Chris wants The Blob "wrestled to the ground", and so do I.
If Gove still thinks he has "got a grip on his department", does he know that the DfE intercept anything from me, and keep it from him? Likewise Ofsted!
When will the budget people connect spending £91bn a year (and still rising) and this massive, long-running failure in such a simple matter?
Can we get mums and dads to teach their child, and schoolproof him/her?
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 Post subject: Re: 'Light-touch, phonics-based check' for Y1 children
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Fundamentally disagree with you Mona.

Y1 screening check a really good way to apply leverage in order to get schools that don't teach phonics properly to focus on this and get their children to a good standard by end of Y1.

Knock on effect to Early Years as you can't do well on the Y1 screening check if you haven't been taught straight away from Nursery/Reception.

Parents shouldn't have to school proof their child and teach them to read. They pay taxes for the teachers to do this. Why pay for the dog and bark yourself?!

More power to the Y1 screening check, I say! Far more effective than the SATs.


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 Post subject: Re: 'Light-touch, phonics-based check' for Y1 children
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Children should be tested at the end of every year, nothing special about 6+.
Butthe test at any age should be for a range 4-11, to show how far advanced/behind individuals are.
The old tests, Burt, Schonell, Holborn etc., did this and worked well. The tests were broadly comparable.
They did not consist 50% of non-words! You can learn to read without non-words.
And we NEED old tests to allow comparison over that time 10, or 50 yars ago.
This 6+ test should be for 5+. It does not test soft c,g for instance!So it is another example of grade inflation.
I am all for testing, yearly, jsut a normal school day, no big deal, but not what government provides.
I think by now we can take it as rule of thumb that anything for the last 30 years of decline has been the OPPOSITE of what we need, and what most teachers expect (outside the atmosphere of official education).
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 Post subject: Re: 'Light-touch, phonics-based check' for Y1 children
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Lesley Drake wrote:
Fundamentally disagree with you Mona.

Y1 screening check a really good way to apply leverage in order to get schools that don't teach phonics properly to focus on this and get their children to a good standard by end of Y1.

Knock on effect to Early Years as you can't do well on the Y1 screening check if you haven't been taught straight away from Nursery/Reception.

Parents shouldn't have to school proof their child and teach them to read. They pay taxes for the teachers to do this. Why pay for the dog and bark yourself?!

More power to the Y1 screening check, I say! Far more effective than the SATs.


Are you the militant arm of the RRF, Lesley?

Yes, the aim of the check is to force schools, in whatever circumstances they find themselves, to push phonics and get the children to a particular standard by the end of Y1. And there will be a knock on effect into early years, including nursery.

What isn't taken into account, or is dismissed as fluffiness, is the wider literacy curriculum (a bit blurry), the promotion of a love of books (terribly fluffy), and the wider needs of the pupils (too cuddly for words). Additionally the cold, hard fact that the majority of nursery age children do not know the difference between posterior and elbow, and need to learn that first.


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 Post subject: Re: 'Light-touch, phonics-based check' for Y1 children
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Thanks Toots, for making my point for me.


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 Post subject: Re: 'Light-touch, phonics-based check' for Y1 children
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Just making it explicit for you, Lesley. ;-)


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 Post subject: Re: 'Light-touch, phonics-based check' for Y1 children
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Well, my main concern now as ever is that phonics, the right kind of phonics with rules, be taught from DAy 1.
If learning to read returned, and was taken for granted, argument at 6+ would surely fade?

And today Gove has budgeted another £1 (million, or was it billion? for education instead of a cut of £50bn a year!!! He goes on and on trusting the expers, The Blob.
I hope you are all reading Chris Woodhead's 2002 book, "Class war".
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 Post subject: Re: 'Light-touch, phonics-based check' for Y1 children
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Lesley Drake wrote:
Parents shouldn't have to school proof their child and teach them to read. They pay taxes for the teachers to do this. Why pay for the dog and bark yourself?

To give your children the enjoyment of reading two or three years earlier than school would.

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