Selection In Schools Fails Most Children

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Selection In Schools Fails Most Children

Post by JIM CURRAN » Sun Feb 19, 2006 7:59 pm

“The majority of children who live in areas which operate selective education do worse at school, new research has revealed.
A study of the 15 areas in England using the 11- plus to select pupils , including Kent, the Wirral and Lincolnshire, shows that children who do not pass the 11- plus are condemned to lower standards of education than if they went to a comprehensive school in an area where there was no selection.” ( Selection In Schools Fails Most Children –by Anushka Asthana Education Correspondent Observer 19/02/06 page 12 news section quoting from a study by Professor David Jesson York University )

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Post by cassius » Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:19 pm

Hi Jim
So what's the explanation for why they do worse?

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Post by Susan Godsland » Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:35 pm

Two stories about selection from the Guardian. Take your pick:

Selection in schools fails most children
The majority of children who live in areas which operate selective education do worse at school, new research has revealed.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/ ... 46,00.html

Education reforms fail to close social divide, finds study
Comprehensive schooling is neither more nor less effective at promoting social mobility than a grammar school system, says research.

http://education.guardian.co.uk/policy/ ... 26,00.html

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Selection In Schools Fails Most Children

Post by JIM CURRAN » Sun Feb 19, 2006 10:10 pm

Hi Cassius, I’m not sure of the situation in England but where I live parents tend to have a fairly wide choice of schools, especially in the primary sector, when middle class parents see children from the big estates going in numbers to some of the local primary schools, they move their children to some of the small country primary schools. To do this you usually need to be a two car family as you have to provide your own transport. That means that the local town schools are likely to end up with more pupils who display behaviour type problems and this makes teaching and learning all the harder for both teacher and pupils. So in Northern Ireland there has always been a type of selection by class. The 11 plus is still in use here but selection is a bit of a joke because of the falling population many so called Grammar schools can’t fill their quota with A grades so they will take whatever they can get. The pupils who are left go to the local Secondary. You don’t need a crystal ball to tell what a disaster this can be. Huge numbers of children, all labelled failures and quite a few with a range of educational and behavioural problems thrown together.

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Post by bwking » Sun Feb 19, 2006 10:16 pm

'Middle class parents [in Scotland] must be finding other ways of giving their children an advantage in life'.

Is it possible that they are getting private/home tuition in Synthetic Phonics, and therefore better exam results, we are driven to conjecture?

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Post by g.carter » Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:13 pm

Well most European countries have comprehensive schools, don't they? Probably they don't suffer from the sort of paternalistic, patronising dumbing down that (in my neck of the woods) celebrated graffiti-covered walls in the local school - until the school got so bad that they pulled this building down and replaced with (executive?) houses...

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