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by Kiki
Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:12 pm
Forum: General Forum
Topic: Help needed with scope and sequence of SP
Replies: 16
Views: 6442

Re: Help needed with scope and sequence of SP

Hi maizie, I was simply responding to your concern: 1) It takes more than a year to teach the 44(ish) sounds. Which will hold back children's reading and writing as they won't have the full range of sounds available to them Which anika picked up on and echoed as an issue The problem that I constantl...
by Kiki
Thu Oct 16, 2014 2:35 pm
Forum: General Forum
Topic: Help needed with scope and sequence of SP
Replies: 16
Views: 6442

Re: Help needed with scope and sequence of SP

Sometimes understandably nervous teachers are persuaded when then learn that many SP programmes were developed in very socially-economically deprived schools, often with traditionally high levels of special needs, EAL etc Some programmes advocate a slower pace but I would be nervous about anything l...
by Kiki
Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:33 pm
Forum: General Forum
Topic: Feedback on Phonic Check
Replies: 192
Views: 51628

Re: Feedback on Phonic Check

it seems at least possible that the use of context is a natural developmental stage in the early stages of reading which becomes less and less useful as the reader amasses a lexicon of known words, rather in the way that phonic decoding is an important strategy in the early stages. In other words, ...
by Kiki
Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:04 pm
Forum: General Forum
Topic: Feedback on Phonic Check
Replies: 192
Views: 51628

Re: Feedback on Phonic Check

As Maizie tried to tell us:
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by Kiki
Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:00 pm
Forum: General Forum
Topic: Feedback on Phonic Check
Replies: 192
Views: 51628

Re: Feedback on Phonic Check

If you feel my remarks on the Stanovich article are not justified why not explain why and point me to where, in the article, Stanovich proves your belief (or even asserts it)? If you know of other material which you believe proves that the use of context is 'a bad thing' why not point me in that di...
by Kiki
Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:56 am
Forum: General Forum
Topic: Feedback on Phonic Check
Replies: 192
Views: 51628

Re: Feedback on Phonic Check

chew8 wrote: If the implication is that your own interpretations are the only ones you will trust, Toots, perhaps I'm wasting my time in doing the sort of re-reading I've been trying to do in order to clarify things in a way that might satisfy both you and me.

Jenny C.
That was my concern Jenny
by Kiki
Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:53 am
Forum: General Forum
Topic: Feedback on Phonic Check
Replies: 192
Views: 51628

Re: Feedback on Phonic Check

I am beginning to think (actually, long since thinking) that 'Toots' is short for the American candy 'Tootsie Roll' :cool:
by Kiki
Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:25 am
Forum: General Forum
Topic: Feedback on Phonic Check
Replies: 192
Views: 51628

Re: Feedback on Phonic Check

And Jenny really is the person to listen to in regards to interpreting research as she has a very wide and deep knowledge of the subject and keeps abreast of all the research and the arguments. I must hasten to say that I don't follow research as closely as I tried to do when I was writing the Rese...
by Kiki
Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:48 am
Forum: General Forum
Topic: Feedback on Phonic Check
Replies: 192
Views: 51628

Re: Feedback on Phonic Check

"You say that children use context and get the wrong answer and carry on using context, and that they come to depend on context. Why would that happen? A person wouldn't normally use a strategy that keeps failing, and they would depend less and less upon it if it kept failing them. " They are not aw...
by Kiki
Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:37 pm
Forum: General Forum
Topic: Feedback on Phonic Check
Replies: 192
Views: 51628

Re: Feedback on Phonic Check

she's in a tearing hurry so she just (if she's reading out loud, of course I don't know what is happening when she is doing a marathon silent reading spell) doesn't bother to look at them carefully, chunk them into bits she could decode etc etc and on she charges either completely ignoring the word...
by Kiki
Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:27 pm
Forum: General Forum
Topic: Feedback on Phonic Check
Replies: 192
Views: 51628

Re: Feedback on Phonic Check

Consider the learning scenario, where we are teaching a learner reader how to read. What does a poor/inexperienced reader LEARN from guessing? NOTHING. Certainly nothing about how to read. They can't know if they are right/wrong so they can't learn anything from the guess (indeed they make 'learn' t...
by Kiki
Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:11 pm
Forum: General Forum
Topic: Feedback on Phonic Check
Replies: 192
Views: 51628

Re: Feedback on Phonic Check

Stanovich is very very clear. To paraphrase: Good readers decode quickly and efficiently leaving lots of cognitive power left over for understanding new words or concepts. Context will help these good readers not to identify known words (ie words already in their vocabulary) but to figure out the me...
by Kiki
Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:21 pm
Forum: General Forum
Topic: Feedback on Phonic Check
Replies: 192
Views: 51628

Re: Feedback on Phonic Check

though not so wild guesses, such as horse for pony are also wrong. Eg: "you can lead a horse to water......." We are not preparing children for a life of reading illustrative picture laden books out to parents and teachers. We are preparing them to become independent readers/learners/enjoyers/accura...
by Kiki
Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:07 pm
Forum: General Forum
Topic: Feedback on Phonic Check
Replies: 192
Views: 51628

Re: Feedback on Phonic Check

maizie wrote: I guess that you're feeling quixotic ;-)
bought Lottery tickets today too! :lol:
by Kiki
Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:12 pm
Forum: General Forum
Topic: Feedback on Phonic Check
Replies: 192
Views: 51628

Re: Feedback on Phonic Check

You seem intent on contriving the meaning that you prefer out of one paper that forms a part of decades of research into the teaching of reading and broader academics achievement. A very tempting thing to do but not really helpful. You asked earlier about research to read; might I suggest Progress i...